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Re: [GLA] Daniel Henry Lewis/Swansea

Reading Mary's message I found the name of a father and the names and ages of two sons with an occupation from the ships' list at the Ellis Island site.

My line of thinking evolved and ended up with a stunning success.
The search resources on ancestry are not as good as those of FAMILY HISTORY RESOURCE FILE VIEWER 4.02 (AKA) Folio Views so after a couple of inconclusive searches on line I went for the 1881 census CD for Wales

I wrote:-

If they were resident in USA I think I would expect to see an address
in USA or even US citizenship - when did they become US citizens?
What do those papers show? Sometimes the application shows an accurate
birthplace.

I certainly have seen some repeatedly crossing the Atlantic on export-import business and danes taking children to meet their grandparents

"There is more information on the Ellis Island site" but what? :-)

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/main.htm

Search Results: Daniel Lewis in
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Census Records 808 matches | info

1891 Wales Census 341
1871 Wales Census 263
1871 England Census 70
1891 England Census 67
1901 England Census 66
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Birth, Marriage, & Death Records 1,423 matches | info

England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 1,330
snipped

Above are the sources that are partially on line
Note parish registers supplement your research and then before July 1837 become essentially the
main source

Do study how to do UK genealogy see :-

GENUKI: Newbies' Guide to English Genealogy and Family History by
Roy Stockdill
http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html
PART 2 - Civil registration and censuses
and http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/index.html
especially the checking system
then browse http://www.genuki.org.uk/index.html as a whole

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1881 census on CD with Viewer 4.02

Menu > Search >> Neighbours - Advanced Query
search string:-
Daniel Lewis walter david

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Dwelling: Bwlchywaggon
Census Place: Treleach-ar-Bettws, Carmarthen, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342301 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5401 Folio 18 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
David LEWIS M 42 M Mydrim, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 18 Acres
Martha LEWIS M 44 F Llanwinio, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmer Wife
Margaret LEWIS U 19 F Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Farmer Daur
James LEWIS 13 M Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Hetty LEWIS 12 F Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary Anne LEWIS 10 F Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar
Daniel H. LEWIS 6 M Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Walter LEWIS 2 M Trelech, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Elizabeth LEWIS 4 F Clydey, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur

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This is the only family group which turned up
but omissions or typos could mean that there are others
so one search is inconclusive

1891 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-35 of 35 matches for:
Lewis with Clydey

Another search:-
You are here: Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1891 Wales
Census > Glamorgan > Llandilo Talybont > District 5

Name: Lewis, Martha
Age in 1891: 47 Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where Born: Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire

Civil parish: Llandilo Talybont
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandilo Talybont
Town:
County: Glamorgan

Street address: 4 Clements Row
Condition as to marriage: m
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Source information: RG12/4470
Registration district: Swansea
Sub registration district: Llandilotalybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Folio: 77
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
== neighbours at 3 Clements Row
[NB CLYDEY]

Lewis, John 30 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Head Llandilo Talybont
Occ: Scholar
Daniel H. LEWIS 6 M Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Walter LEWIS 2 M Trelech, Carmarthen, Wales
Rel: Son
Elizabeth LEWIS 4 F Clydey, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Daur

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That was the only family group which turned up
but omissions or typos could mean that there are others
so one search is inconclusive.

1891 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-35 of 35 matches for:
Lewis with Clydey

Another search:-
You are here: Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1891 Wales
Census > Glamorgan > Llandilo Talybont > District 5

Name: Lewis, Martha
Age in 1891: 47 women and ages LOL she should be 54 !!!
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where Born: Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire

Civil parish: Llandilo Talybont
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandilo Talybont
Town:
County: Glamorgan

Street address: 4 Clements Row
Condition as to marriage: m
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Source information: RG12/4470
Registration district: Swansea
Sub registration district: Llandilotalybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Folio: 77
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
== neighbours at 3 Clements Row
[NB CLYDEY]

Lewis, John 30 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Head Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan COAL MINER

Lewis, Sarah 31 Llandilotalybont, Glamorgan Wife Llandilo Talybont Glamorgan

Lewis, Blodwen L 7.12 Llandilotalybont, Glamorgan Daughter Llandilo
Talybont Glamorgan

======= 4 Clements Row

Lewis, David 49 Mydrim, Carmarthenshire Head Llandilo Talybont Glamorgan
BLACK SMITH (AT COLLIERY) and he should be 52 !!!
Lewis, Martha 47 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire Wife Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan
Lewis, Hetty 12 [SIC - typo IS 21] Clydey, Pembrokeshire Daughter
Llandilo Talybont Glamorgan DOMESTIC SERVANT
Lewis, Mary A 18 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Daughter Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan DOMESTIC SERVANT

the copy clerk has incorrectly written // for "end of family"
but it pays to browse because NEXT PAGE :-

1891 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-4 of 4 matches « Global Search Results for

LEWIS
Source information: RG12/4470 Folio: 77 Page: 7

Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish
County View Image

Lewis, Daniel H 16 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Son Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan SMITH'S STRIKER (AKA HAMMER MAN in USA?)

http://www.lakesidehistory.org/Businesses/Blacksmith/images/blacksmith_shop_1900.jpg

the smith holds the red hot work in tongs in his left hand and his right hand postions the tool which the striker hits with his two handed sledge hammer weighing 7 or 14 lb

Lewis, Elizabeth 14 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Daughter Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan DRESSMAKER
Lewis, Walter 12 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Son Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan SCHOLAR
Lewis, Davis O 9 Clydey, Pembrokeshire Son Llandilo Talybont
Glamorgan SCHOLAR

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Is he a poverty stricken farmer used to repairing his own implemets - who thought
might as well get a job as a handyman sort of smith on the surface of a
colliery - although there would be shoeing of pit ponies underground -
or would they be unshod to avoid sparks and the risk of exploding the
fire damp ?

18 acres was not much to live off but has a higher social status than a smithy.
The last seaches show this speculation of mine was not the whole story - see PS below.

better check
1891 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-50 of 291 matches for:
Lewis with RG12/4470
there may be more relatives

1891 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-49 of 49 matches for:
Lewis with Carmarthenshire and RG12/4470

but that will be your pleasure

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1871 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-10 of 10 matches

« Global Search Results

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image

Joseph Lewis 48 Llanboidy, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire BLACKSMITH

Martha Lewis 46 DRESSMAKER Mydrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife
Llanwinio Carmarthenshire << coincidence LOL

Ada Lewis 6 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire
Anne Lewis 12 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire
John Lewis 18 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire BLACKSMITH

Joseph T Lewis 10 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire
Mary Lewis 26 Mydrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire DRESSMAKER
Rebecca Lewis 8 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire
Sarah Lewis 17 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire DRESSMAKER
Thomas Lewis 2 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire

Civil parish: Llanwinio
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: SARNAU
NB same page as New Inn Llanwinio

Source information: RG10/5504
Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: Conwil
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Folio: 55
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 5

NB folio 62 page 15
GILFACHYBLAWD
Jeremiah Lewis 29 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire
SINGLE farmer 300 acres employing 3 labourers and 1 boy AND 2 DOMESTIC SERVANTS
[still single in 1891 on the same farm]

Anne Lewis 74 St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mother Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire WIDOW ANNUITANT


John Lewis 32 Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales Brother Llanwinio
Carmarthenshire SINGLE BROTHER ANNUITANT

1871 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-50 of 120 matches for:
Lewis and RG10/5504
and in 1891 next door
Lewis, Mary Anne 53 Pendine, Carmarthenshire Head Llanwinio Carmarthenshire

Now the last two families are pure speculation
my advice would be to chart all those LEWIS in that village and work out who IS and
IS NOT related down to second and third cousins.
Wills or probates will help with the landowners or farmers.

many years work
good hunting

Hugh W

PS for MYDRIM try MIDRIM =======================

Name: David Lewis
Age in 1871: 31
Relation: Head
Household: View other family members
Gender: Male
Where born: Midrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil parish: Clydey
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: BLACK / SMITH

Source information: RG10/5544
Registration district: Newcastle Inn Emlyn
Sub-registration district: 1B Kenarth
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Folio: 67
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 49w

1871 Wales Census
Viewing records 1-7 of 7 matches

« Global Search Results

Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image

David Lewis 31 Midrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Clydey Pembrokeshire
Hety [sic] Lewis 1 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Daughter Clydey
Pembrokeshire
James Lewis 4 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Clydey Pembrokeshire
John Lewis 10 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Clydey Pembrokeshire
--- GOTCHA !!! see the neigbour above ---
Margaret Lewis 9 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Daughter Clydey
Pembrokeshire
Martha Lewis 34 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Clydey
Pembrokeshire SMITH'S WIFE [COULD BE A STRIKER TOO]
Thomas Lewis 6 Clydey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Clydey Pembrokeshire


Mary Sutton wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> I just stumbled on to this on the Ellis Island site and thought I would pass it along.
>
> I have been looking, off and on, for a Daniel H. LEWIS, b. c Nov. 1874, some place in Wales. Daniel came to the US about 1895, this date is very difficult to read so I'm not sure how accurate it is. This information was taken from the 1900 Federal Census, Wilkes-Barre, PA
> Daniel H. Lewis
> married
> Sarah Ann Lewis, c 1900
>
> Their address on the 1900 census is given as South Meade Street
>
> Ellis Island Site
> SS: Columbia
> Sailing from Glasgow, 21 August 1909
> Arrived Ellis Island: August 29, 1909
>
> Line 18: Lewis, Walter, 29, male, married, B'smith
> Last Permanent Residence: Cardiff
> Name & Complete Address of nearest relative...: Father, David LEWIS, Swansea
> Final Destination: PA, Gelatt
> Whether Going to join a relative or friend: Wife Mrs. Walter Lewis, Gelatt, PA
> Place of Birth: Wales Carmarth??
>
> Line 19: Lewis, Daniel Henry, 33, male, married, B'smith
> Last Permanent Residence: Cardiff
> Name & Complete Address of nearest relative...: Father, David LEWIS, Swansea
> Final Destination: PA, Wilkes Barre
> Whether Going to join a relative or friend: Wife Mrs.D. H. Lewis 12 South Meade Street
> Place of Birth: Wales Swansea
>
> There is more information on the Ellis Island site.
>
> Do not know for sure if this is my Daniel H. Lewis, but it does look hopeful.
> Daniel had been in the USA for 14 yrs.
> Walter for 12 yrs.
> Daniel named one of his son's Walter Henry Lewis, he was also a blacksmith, and lived on South Meade Street in Wilkes-Barre, PA according to the 1900 US Census.
>
> Can anyone connect to a David Lewis living in Swansea. I'm wonder if there was a death in the family & that's why the brothers went back to Wales.
>
> Will keep looking,
> Mary
>
> Mary S. Sutton
> 107 Union Street
> Mount Holly, New Jersey 08060
>